Comments on: Perverse Economic Impact of Laws Inhibiting Employment Termination: French Government “Gets It”; French Protesters Don’t http://www.employmentblawg.com/2006/perverse-economic-impact-of-laws-inhibiting-employment-termination-french-government-gets-it-french-protesters-dont/ Workplace News & Views, Edited by St. Louis Labor & Employment Lawyer George Lenard Fri, 19 Mar 2010 14:49:45 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: kimberly http://www.employmentblawg.com/2006/perverse-economic-impact-of-laws-inhibiting-employment-termination-french-government-gets-it-french-protesters-dont/comment-page-1/#comment-42293 kimberly Fri, 26 Jun 2009 11:21:30 +0000 http://www.employmentblawg.com/2006/perverse-economic-impact-of-laws-inhibiting-employment-termination-french-government-gets-it-french-protesters-dont/#comment-42293 Can I share another perspective? I've worked in Canada, the USA and now France. It seems to me that a lot of people here whether French or only residents, believe that their social security is the 'be all and end all'. I worked for a large higher education institution in an MBA program in France. I was shocked at the level of unprofessional behavior. Complaints about the unprofessional behavior were met with shrugs of, "there's nothing to be done". While in the USA (hopefully) at-will employment encourages employees to focus on delivering results and creating better team dynamics which will hopefully lead to raises and promotions etc. -here, the attitude seems to be quite different; they expectation is be given job security and then deliver. But in many cases once the job security (esp titulaire status) is achieved - the bare minimum is done anyway. Where's the incentive? It seemed that "titulaires" had the worst behavior. It seems there is a long history of bullying those on CDD contracts. (Plus the business school itself twists the rules of CDD contracts to avoid the CDI requirements)I witnessed titulaires giving their timecards to their buddies to punch in and out so they could have longer lunch hours or leave early. But what I found extraordinary was that in my case, I have 12 years of experience and a Masters degree and management exp etc - but the dean of this business school appointed a titulaire who has no formal higher education, and only administrative level professional experience to be "responsible" for me (and apparently responsible for overseeing some work experience projects being done by MBA students!!!! How horrible is that??!!). Of course, I only learned about her lack of experience after starting employment. My North American attitude wonders how she can be responsible for marketing an MBA program when has no experience in higher education herself. It would explain the ill-targeting ads on CNN and the believe that advertising in Air France Magazine is guaranteed to drastically drive up Part Time MBA enrollment. I wish I could broadcast to MBA applicants/candidates that in this institution, there is a pervasive attitude that MBA students paying thousands of Euros are "spoiled" and should not expect a "tapis rouge". Anyway, its shocking that a top ranked business school has such unprofessional internal behaviors/issues. But it seems its largely the governments own rules designed to create job security that can easily backfire and create a dysfunctional organization. Can I share another perspective? I’ve worked in Canada, the USA and now France. It seems to me that a lot of people here whether French or only residents, believe that their social security is the ‘be all and end all’. I worked for a large higher education institution in an MBA program in France. I was shocked at the level of unprofessional behavior. Complaints about the unprofessional behavior were met with shrugs of, “there’s nothing to be done”. While in the USA (hopefully) at-will employment encourages employees to focus on delivering results and creating better team dynamics which will hopefully lead to raises and promotions etc. -here, the attitude seems to be quite different; they expectation is be given job security and then deliver. But in many cases once the job security (esp titulaire status) is achieved – the bare minimum is done anyway. Where’s the incentive? It seemed that “titulaires” had the worst behavior. It seems there is a long history of bullying those on CDD contracts. (Plus the business school itself twists the rules of CDD contracts to avoid the CDI requirements)I witnessed titulaires giving their timecards to their buddies to punch in and out so they could have longer lunch hours or leave early. But what I found extraordinary was that in my case, I have 12 years of experience and a Masters degree and management exp etc – but the dean of this business school appointed a titulaire who has no formal higher education, and only administrative level professional experience to be “responsible” for me (and apparently responsible for overseeing some work experience projects being done by MBA students!!!! How horrible is that??!!). Of course, I only learned about her lack of experience after starting employment. My North American attitude wonders how she can be responsible for marketing an MBA program when has no experience in higher education herself. It would explain the ill-targeting ads on CNN and the believe that advertising in Air France Magazine is guaranteed to drastically drive up Part Time MBA enrollment. I wish I could broadcast to MBA applicants/candidates that in this institution, there is a pervasive attitude that MBA students paying thousands of Euros are “spoiled” and should not expect a “tapis rouge”. Anyway, its shocking that a top ranked business school has such unprofessional internal behaviors/issues. But it seems its largely the governments own rules designed to create job security that can easily backfire and create a dysfunctional organization.

]]> By: French and U.S. Employment Laws: Vive La Difference! | Warren & Hays LLC http://www.employmentblawg.com/2006/perverse-economic-impact-of-laws-inhibiting-employment-termination-french-government-gets-it-french-protesters-dont/comment-page-1/#comment-42166 French and U.S. Employment Laws: Vive La Difference! | Warren & Hays LLC Sat, 06 Jun 2009 17:45:10 +0000 http://www.employmentblawg.com/2006/perverse-economic-impact-of-laws-inhibiting-employment-termination-french-government-gets-it-french-protesters-dont/#comment-42166 [...] There is no employment at-will in France. Employment contracts are required for all employees, at whatever grade or level. The term of [...] [...] There is no employment at-will in France. Employment contracts are required for all employees, at whatever grade or level. The term of [...]

]]> By: George Lenard http://www.employmentblawg.com/2006/perverse-economic-impact-of-laws-inhibiting-employment-termination-french-government-gets-it-french-protesters-dont/comment-page-1/#comment-271 George Lenard Tue, 21 Mar 2006 05:26:34 +0000 http://www.employmentblawg.com/2006/perverse-economic-impact-of-laws-inhibiting-employment-termination-french-government-gets-it-french-protesters-dont/#comment-271 Update: Listen to this NPR story: French Unions Protest Work Rules Reform http://www.npr.org/templates/story/ story.php?storyId=5289405 Update: Listen to this NPR story: French Unions Protest Work Rules Reform

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